While I support the notion of providing pop culture references about items.
Maybe there is a better way such as a page listing references? Possibly there is a way you could just add them all in one place, like and index. If it is on the item page maybe we can put an optional section in the template.
Klaxxin and Lorak990 are the LotS admins so I will defer to them as to how to handle it. I think you have a great idea there Tom.
I had added an optional section to the template, and then I added pop culture references to about half a dozen items. Not very many, I admit, but I tried to do more than just list the names of movies/shows/books that were referenced. Check out an example. I actually think this is much better than adding them all in one place; such a page would have hundreds of different entries. The references thread in the official forums is awful.
Ah Might have been because it was on the item card itself or something. I am not sure. Maybe should have an optional reference card/section displayed below the item card. Klaxxin can better answer maybe since he deleted.
I can't recall why I removed the references stuff. I think it was because there were fewer than ten references (of the thousands of items currently on the wiki), and I thought that it was inconsistent to display so few references.
I probably removed the references around the time I reformatted the item card. IIRC, I knew about the large number of pop-culture reference in LotS, and so I chose not to remove the "reference" field from the item card, but did remove the field from the item pages.
Here's where I stand on references: if you can promise me that you'll add every reference you know, or that you can dig up on the forums, I'll support it, and I'll fix up the item card template as necessary.
If you are not committed to being the "reference person", and are unwilling to take ownership of the project, then lets leave the references off the wiki, or put references on a single page. I don't want to do 1% of a huge job and have the wiki look less polished as a result. The references stuff is too complex and time-consuming and hardcore to expect that your average wiki denizen is going to pick up the slack and add references. It has to be done by one or two dedicated editors. It'll take weeks or months to finish, and someone will have to add new references as new content comes in.
As for myself, I've probably done more than 5,000 edits on the LotS wiki (don't know the exact number). At the moment, I am unwilling to take on this project.
Here is one idea... since a lot of games contain references to things why dont we just add a template similar to Template:SubA that make a references display. Example of SubA on Template:LoH/Card. That way we have somethign we can easily tack onto the bottom of pages
That's a bit of a problem atm, given the way I set up the item template to include the ad at the bottom of the page. Maybe you could integreate the bottom-of-the-page ad into the wiki core and then I can remove it from the templates...
Undoubtedly you'll be skeptical at this point, but I'd like to try my hand at being the "reference person". I'll start when I have an afternoon free.
Not that anyone at all asked my opinion, but the typical "wiki" thing to do when starting a new project like this is to have the person or persons involved store up a decent portion of the work on either their personal pages or just on their local hard drive, and then apply all those changes in a single sitting. That way when users see it, there's already a decent amount of content, and it never has to look unpolished.
This is somewhat speaking from experience as well. I've made some changes in the past that I unintentionally left in an unpolished state on the public pages, and a wiki is only as nice as its crappiest pages.
All that being said, I'm looking forward to the seeing the references stuff. I think it'll be cool, though I'm not a good enough reference guy to actually help a whole lot.
Doomcat, I... sort of wish I'd thought of that. I'm used to using a personal "sandbox" when working on a single complex page, and it's normally not useful to store up a bunch of minor edits, but in this case the majority of the work is in writing rather than making masses of similar edits. I'll put it here, and we can decide later whether or not to have one big page or a small section on each article.