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Thread titleRepliesLast modified
Mobile vs Online615:22, 12 August 2013
Custom side bars122:36, 27 July 2013
6/17 Live Maintenance319:30, 18 June 2013
Pages to Delete100:46, 25 May 2013
Need to add something to LotS item template.217:23, 22 May 2013
website upgrades1013:10, 1 May 2013
subpage013:39, 8 January 2013
Ads updated006:22, 8 November 2012
performance issues118:44, 6 October 2012
page crawl times009:10, 24 August 2012
New extension108:31, 24 August 2012
Wiki hosts008:30, 24 August 2012
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Mobile vs Online

I am going through and putting level 5 attack and defense on the officers? I don't know if this information is available somewhere else, but when I look at the information on the officers, it shows level 1 attributes. I put it as a note on the bottom. I also indicate that this is information from the mobile app. I am not 100% sure, but I believe there ARE differences between the mobile and online app when it comes to these. Of course, one would have to be careful about added crew or officers that adjust the base values, and I am keeping that in mind when doing this.

I am going to check today, but I also relatively sure that many of the amour/weapon values are skewed as well. On the mobile app, it doesn't show the increase for attack/defense/stamina/energy in the tooltip, but they apply IN SOME CASES. In others they are completely irrelevant.

I would just like to see the mobile app incorporated into this site, since many of the same items appear there.

Touchet (talk)10:54, 12 August 2013

I do not know myself, however i will make sure this is brought to the LotS admin's attention, and try to get a better answer for you. There is probably a need for this information (as in doesn't exist yet), and possibly we need to start a new wiki section for the mobile game if it is different enough.

At the very least we could maybe add some mobile specific info.

I do not play LotS any longer myself; and haven't played in ages so I have forgotten much about it. If all else fails, you are welcome to edit and add the info as you see fit. Just don't leave things in a broken state.

Zoycite (talk)11:21, 12 August 2013

Here is an example of an edit I did. I didn't know how to remove the nagivation bar, so there are two. As you can see, this item was nerfed very badly in the mobile app, even though the cost of suns was the same.

This is only a small sample of how badly the mobile edition is being handled. Had I to do it over again, I would have never played it.

Touchet (talk)13:41, 12 August 2013
 

Sorry here is the link: http://zoywiki.com/LotS/Durendal

Touchet (talk)13:41, 12 August 2013

Touchet, the LotS wiki does not support the mobile app at present. Support for the mobile app sounds like a substantial project that might require hundreds or thousands of edits to existing wiki content. I don't want to start changing LotS content without a firm plan of attack and a commitment (from you or someone else) to see the project through to completion. Otherwise, we will compromise our standards across the wiki.

I would ask (for now) that you hold off making changes to the wiki that reflect information contained in the mobile app.

Klaxxin (talk)14:05, 12 August 2013

I have in idea we could do for mobile, that would not compromise integrity of any exist pages.

Add a subpage called /mobile to an item page. so if the item name was "X-Ray Gun", the Item page would be "LotS/X-Ray Gun", this would represent the item in the normal version of the game. If there was a mobile version of the item that differs, there also exists a page "LotS/X-Ray Gun/mobile". It is identical to the "LotS/X-Ray Gun" page except it contains the information that is specific to the mobile game.

We can throw a #ifexists parser function on the individual item pages item card template, for mobile pages and display a link to the mobile version. We can then long term plan do something with these mobile pages. obviously the mobile versions need their own item list pages. For mobile we will want to break these up into smaller pages anyway for 5-10 items per page. We could also utilize #varpull to duplicate the item card for values that are the same unless they are specified.

A lot could be done to reduce information duplication. But I think creating a separate page for mobile might be the way to go, and would not create thousands of edits that could potentially damage many existing articles.

Zoycite (talk)14:19, 12 August 2013

just my 2c on the subject - I believe I know why the stats are vastly different, the nova set was upgraded when it was re-released/updated so you are looking at the original stats (which at the time were better than anything previously released), so the mobile version is way out of date for some items, Im not sure why they have released the old version or if they plan to update it to current, the same thing is happening on the dotd mobile version and trying to maintain 2 versions would be a bigger project than i personally have time for as I only play the games intermittently beyond updating this/dotd wiki's, i have to agree with Klaxxin that this would need to be a structured separate project to update of all pages (probably via zoybot) with a flag for mobile version stats, we can discuss this further here or in the admin chat though.

Lorak990 (talk)15:22, 12 August 2013
 
 
 
 
 

Custom side bars

So i tackled one of the biggest feature requests and implemented per page sidebars. This should be pretty straight forward to modify change on a per game basis. Also the overall sidebar has changed and is also less cluttered as well.

I set them up with what made sense for the navigation to the user experience. Check the Zoywiki Tutorials for more info.

Zoycite (talk)22:32, 27 July 2013

Also as a result of the sidebars being custom now, I had to make a few changes to page structures on some of the games that were using Danxor naming of placing Home after the main page name, but all in all everything should now be consistent and Home should just redirect to the base game name now. Let me know about anything that isn't working quite right.

Zoycite (talk)22:36, 27 July 2013
 

6/17 Live Maintenance

Hello,

There will be a live server maintenance on 6/17 from 21:00 CDT to 22:00 CDT, where service outages will occur.

This message mostly posted for Recent changes police.

I will be performing some important upgrades to help address site issues.

Zoycite (talk)16:59, 17 June 2013

Maintenance has been postponed for 2 hours due to networking issues that needed immediate attention.

Zoycite (talk)21:26, 17 June 2013

Maintenance completed. However still some high priority issues to address in a follow up maintenance.

Zoycite (talk)08:14, 18 June 2013

Most everything looks to be up and working.

- Wiki editor extension works again - thread replies should work without spinny thing forever

Working on resolving a few behind the scenes stuff.

The only major high priority issue is: new user signups from certain pages are generating weird error log messages on server side. However should be resolved shortly without any performance hit.

Zoycite (talk)19:30, 18 June 2013
 
 
 

Pages to Delete

What's the deal with http://zoywiki.com/Zoywiki/Pages_to_Delete ? Do we really just need to delete every page listed there? The all seem to be in the Jugg/ space, so if there's Jugg admin would wants to take a glance over that...

Doomcat (talk)13:24, 24 May 2013

i made that page for danxor at some point. It eventually needs to be done. I think the pages were orphaned or contain problems or something.

I have not played Jugg in some time because the operators of that game are a certain kind of special. I will figure out with Danxor when he is not moving but, for now i say just keep it as is. and if you get really bored delete at will.

Zoycite (talk)00:46, 25 May 2013
 

Need to add something to LotS item template.

I wanted to go in and add a note to each item used in item hunts. Let's people know when viewing an item that it's used for an item hunt piece. That way newer people who aren't aware of the hunts can become aware that the item has a use for something else.

Basically just add a section in the template that says "|used to obtain=" and then link to the specific piece it's used for.

I'm asking here because I don't know where the template is, whether or not I can add that, or if people think it's even necessary. I'm not active on wikis because there are always jerks who revert what I do because they don't like it or whatever other reasons, so I hadn't spent much time learning how the coding works and how to find things.

Lustre (talk)16:07, 28 April 2013

No replies to this, does that mean no one knows? Or is that just a mean way of saying I can't do it.

Lustre (talk)19:28, 6 May 2013

I added required= to the template. I altered one page to show the usage: Mermara's Trident. If people are cool with this, then we can roll with it. I named it required because I expect to use it for both what you've asked and for indicating that an item is a Mission Requirement, too, like I did for Raiyama

Doomcat (talk)17:23, 22 May 2013
 
 

website upgrades

Over the next 30 days I will be working on upgrading the server. I know we just had an upgrade less than a year ago, and we are already at the point of needing to upgrade again. Hooray narwhals! Currently we are on a dedicated host, which means that our upgrading capacity is very limited and no hardware is actually owned. I have been working with a team of my friends to help advise how to take the site into the next phase of fun. And well that day is here. We officially have the barebones amount of hardware needed to begin the transition.

I have managed to find a great host to provide the site with colocation. We will have redundant cogent and L3 connections.

So for the techie people, the new server is going to have 6 SAS 15k rpm drives, 32GB ram, dual Xeon processors, and a 100Mb upload (with possibility of 1Gb). Currently we are 10Mb/s, core i5, 4GB, and only 2 300GB SATA drives.

So what all this means is

  • Faster page loading
  • Less operational costs
  • More ugprade-ability.
Zoycite (talk)18:42, 9 February 2013

Webiste is up on the new server officially now.

I will be hammering out any kinks from the move. I have made several hardware and software optimizations. So will need to get everything working on the new server. Some of the java script and css does not seem to be including correctly.

One thing you may notice is urls can now be referenced externally without the index.php being specified.

Zoycite (talk)17:12, 23 March 2013

I am aware of some of the issues and am working on them presently. Please report any issues to this thread. Thanks!

Zoycite (talk)18:41, 23 March 2013
  • MediaWiki software updated
  • Liquid Threads updated

seems to have resolved most glaring problems.

Zoycite (talk)20:15, 23 March 2013

Two things I noticed:

1) At least on my browser (FF19/Win7), the top ad overlaps the tabs and (partially) the page header.

2) When I clicked "reply" to this thread, the ajax loading wheel came up, and then the textbox for my reply appeared, but the loading wheel is still here.

Plujan (talk)16:54, 24 March 2013

re 1: yeah i need to refix the height bar on the top ad. that was a custom hack i will pull it from the old site.

re 2: interesting i noticed that. I also noticed somethign weird with the wiki editor too; like the wysiwyg controls dont work.

Zoycite (talk)17:28, 24 March 2013
 

1) fixed the header

2) still tracking down the random weird loading.

Zoycite (talk)14:30, 27 March 2013
 
 
 
 

Fixed the file uploads.

Zoycite (talk)02:35, 26 March 2013
 

Been working on resolving any remaining issues.

This is the TODO/Status List as of today

  • Still having issues with the loading thingy on forum replies
  • No wiki editor widgets -> possibly related to above
  • Sidebar randomly broken now

Also as discussed in AIM chat image hot linking was disabled by request.

So yeah anything else I am missing?

Zoycite (talk)19:23, 2 April 2013

update

  • loading thingy broken -> not sure
  • wiki editor extension broken
  • sidebar fixed (google prototype.js conflict)
  • fixed top banner ads to be clickable again.
  • performance optimizations made

The reason the extensions are still broke is I am researching some nginx specific stuff that i am working on resolving in staging before I push live.

Zoycite (talk)13:10, 1 May 2013
 
 

enabled sub paging. A a small link tree should appear below the title of the page. The page will be broken on slashes. Pages that do not have pages in the wiki will not appear in the link tree.

Examples:

LotS/items/Gloves -> links to LotS only, because LotS/items does not exist (at time of posting)

VoA/Zones/beastdomain/Mass Extinction - The Hard Way! -> Links to VoA, VoA/Zones, and VoA/Zones/beastdomain

The VoA section had already implemented its own solution to this. However this will enable a similar function for everyone for easier browsing and content maintenance. Also it will encourage structuring data more hierarchical for future content.

Now why all this crazy sub page thread stuff, well that is because of this magic right here. Let's say I want a link to everything underneath VoA/Zones/beastdomain,

{{Special:PrefixIndex/VoA/Zones/beastdomain}} produces

VoA/Zones/beastdomainVoA/Zones/beastdomain/A Question of IntegrityVoA/Zones/beastdomain/A Question of Integrity/reward
VoA/Zones/beastdomain/A Question of Integrity/spoilerVoA/Zones/beastdomain/At The Water's EdgeVoA/Zones/beastdomain/At The Water's Edge/reward
VoA/Zones/beastdomain/At The Water's Edge/spoilerVoA/Zones/beastdomain/BaleVoA/Zones/beastdomain/Beasts for the Stew
VoA/Zones/beastdomain/Beasts for the Stew/rewardVoA/Zones/beastdomain/Beasts for the Stew/spoilerVoA/Zones/beastdomain/Blackwort
VoA/Zones/beastdomain/Braxi Keeper YubaiVoA/Zones/beastdomain/Braxi TroubleVoA/Zones/beastdomain/Braxi Trouble/reward
VoA/Zones/beastdomain/Braxi Trouble/spoilerVoA/Zones/beastdomain/BreinneVoA/Zones/beastdomain/Eewww!
VoA/Zones/beastdomain/Eewww!/rewardVoA/Zones/beastdomain/Eewww!/spoilerVoA/Zones/beastdomain/Elder Giaborn
VoA/Zones/beastdomain/Elder HilnaahVoA/Zones/beastdomain/Elder PoanagVoA/Zones/beastdomain/Etani Treg
VoA/Zones/beastdomain/Hunter BindaniVoA/Zones/beastdomain/Hunters' BountyVoA/Zones/beastdomain/Hunters' Bounty/misc
VoA/Zones/beastdomain/Hunters' Bounty/rewardVoA/Zones/beastdomain/Hunters' Bounty/spoilerVoA/Zones/beastdomain/Kar of the Domain Clan
VoA/Zones/beastdomain/KlarVoA/Zones/beastdomain/Mass Extinction - The Hard Way!VoA/Zones/beastdomain/Mass Extinction - The Hard Way!/reward
VoA/Zones/beastdomain/Mass Extinction - The Hard Way!/spoilerVoA/Zones/beastdomain/Mea TregVoA/Zones/beastdomain/Message of Faith
VoA/Zones/beastdomain/Message of Faith/aboutVoA/Zones/beastdomain/Message of Faith/rewardVoA/Zones/beastdomain/Message of Faith/spoiler
VoA/Zones/beastdomain/One To Lead ThemVoA/Zones/beastdomain/One To Lead Them/aboutVoA/Zones/beastdomain/One To Lead Them/reward
VoA/Zones/beastdomain/One To Lead Them/spoilerVoA/Zones/beastdomain/The Hunter Becomes The HuntedVoA/Zones/beastdomain/The Hunter Becomes The Hunted/misc
VoA/Zones/beastdomain/The Hunter Becomes The Hunted/rewardVoA/Zones/beastdomain/The Hunter Becomes The Hunted/spoilerVoA/Zones/beastdomain/The King of the Beasts
VoA/Zones/beastdomain/The King of the Beasts/rewardVoA/Zones/beastdomain/Trial of the BeastVoA/Zones/beastdomain/Trial of the Beast/misc
VoA/Zones/beastdomain/Trial of the Beast/rewardVoA/Zones/beastdomain/Trial of the Beast/spoilerVoA/Zones/beastdomain/Wart
VoA/Zones/beastdomain/YahnoaVoA/Zones/beastdomain/YurvVoA/Zones/beastdomain/a tame braxi
VoA/Zones/beastdomain/questsVoA/Zones/beastdomain/raidsVoA/Zones/beastdomain/zones

Which this can be done for any page in the wiki and it will create this quite nice list of pages for content. This is just utilizing a MediaWiki feature we should have been for ages.

Zoycite (talk)13:39, 8 January 2013

Ads updated

I updated the ad display slightly of the banner and sidebar ads. Seems to be less obstructing than before. Let me know if it is a problem.

Thanks.

Zoycite (talk)06:22, 8 November 2012

performance issues

I am aware of the site performance issues. I am working on dealing with them. The site will be a maintenance during the early AM hours for US time zones over the next several days. The good news is you guys are breaking the new server. The good news is narwhals are gonna fix it with magic horns. (yes good news x2)

Zoycite (talk)12:12, 5 October 2012

This is going to be ongoing for a while. I made some major band-aid fixes so the site is at least usable again.

More optimizations coming soon!

Zoycite (talk)18:44, 6 October 2012
 

page crawl times

so since the server upgrade, time the web crawler spends loading the page is down to 1/3 of what it was. This means pages are loading faster. Anyway fancy smancy chart

Crawltimes.gif

Zoycite (talk)09:10, 24 August 2012

New extension

So I installed the Liquid Threads thing. It is enabled by default on talk pages. If we don't like it, I can remove it.

Zoycite (talk)17:30, 21 August 2012

also made a new section on the sidebar called Forums. feel free to put any forums there you want for games or what ever.

Zoycite (talk)08:31, 24 August 2012
 

Wiki hosts

So I modified some server configs to make all requested urls be redirected to "zoywiki.com", so whether you goto www.zoywiki.com or zoy.zoywiki.com you will always be sent to zoywiki.com. The redirect is intelligent so it will keep the URL you had so if you for some reason randomly click on something that might have a full url such as "www.zoywiki.com/what ever" it will correctly be replaced with just "zoywiki.com/what ever". This may cause you to get logged out if you have never logged in on "zoywiki.com". So I did this to help optimize SEO. Sorry for any inconvenience.

Zoycite (talk)08:30, 24 August 2012
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