Removed references?

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personally i think it clutters the item card, I notice some of the references when i'm making the pages, but I'd rather it linked to a section on a references page similar to the lab experiments, then you could just link to a whole section for say cybercop, all lore is a robocop reference rather than adding it to each page

Lorak990 (talk)06:07, 1 February 2013

on that note should we have a References wiki section which is sort of like tropes in their respective games? Then we can just link to our "trope" page for it on the item, npc, etc...

I am trying to think of a solution for more than just LotS here.

Zoycite (talk)10:01, 1 February 2013

In my opinion, the item pages are currently incredibly bare and would be far more useful with more information on them. Moreover, in a great many cases the issue's a lot more complex than "all cybercop gear is a robocop reference." I'm not arguing for a particular format to the references section; it could be bigger, smaller, higher, lower, or wrapped up in a spoiler tag. However, I can't see how the references section makes the article more difficult to read.

With all that said, I'm currently not worried about reinstating the references section; as I said above, I'm going to start collecting references in a personal sandbox. Once we have a few built up, we'll have something concrete to base our discussions on.

TomTheHand (talk)15:18, 1 February 2013

sounds awesome. ill try to come up with maybe a good way to make references on a wiki-wide basis.

Zoycite (talk)12:35, 2 February 2013

If we decide to do references, we may want transcluded templates ala the "How to Obtain" box on Legacy of Heroes (was this what you were saying up above, Zoy?). That way, contributors can add references. The references box would appear separate from the Item Card. This may be a bad solution, give how few of the "How to Obtain" references have been filled on the LoH Wiki. Also, this solution will interfere with ad placement as well as with item cards that have container lists appended underneath. If we choose this option, it means that we'll have to shuffle some content.

I agree with Lorak that just putting this info onto the main item card will make the card look cluttered.

If you can think of something better, Zoy, that'd be super.

Tom, I'm willing to give the references a shot. Incorporating what Doomcat said, I'd like to see 100 or more reference entries before you push the content live on the wiki. If you can do that many, I'm willing to trust that you'll finish the rest. Once you've got the content together, we can finish the discussion as to how this information should be displayed on the wiki.

Klaxxin (talk)23:48, 2 February 2013

I was thinking of adding some kind of template like the how to obtain on LoH yes. I have an Idea to encourage content editing on more than just references. Simple links like "Add reference", "Add link", "Add ______", or something maybe link that, which is like a bulleted list. And if the reference or link or what have you exists then it displays a fancy box of some kind instead.

I am not worried about how it effects ad placement. We can work around them, place different units, etc. That is a very solvable problem that does not have to be worried about.

Tom will do the references, he said he would. We should make sure to give him all the tools to do it, and come to some kind of agreement as well as how it will be done.

More on my idea:

So my idea is that links would appear Like this

Then if say there was a reference it would display a Template:SubA or similar template with the content of [[page/reference]]. And then the list of content to add would only display:

It would only display those 2 because the SubA template has an edit link on it.

Zoycite (talk)16:43, 5 February 2013